MuWire has died, development has stopped, are there any alternatives?

[Dr.Doom]

As is already known, MuWire is no longer being further developed and maintained according to the current status. MuWire is therefore no longer usable.
Are there alternatives or are alternatives to MuWire planned?

Greetings

[FreefallHeavens]

Ideally MuWire would be further maintained by others as it is quite matured and good at this point, though anyone taking it up would have to get familiar with all of its code. At minimum it would be nice if someone continued to release updates that integrate the latest version of I2P. Somebody needs to also run at least one tracker as currently there are none left and anyone new joining the network needs to add to friends at least one existing user for the "gossip" to begin node discovery otherwise you will never find any other users.

[Robin]

RetroShare has somewhat similar functionality to MuWire, and it works with I2P according to the instructions.

[acud]

why did zab chose to step away? what is this ~"wrong direction" i2p is taking? same with zzz. is it technical? what is the disagreement about?

[raccoondad]

why did zab chose to step away? what is this ~"wrong direction" i2p is taking? same with zzz. is it technical? what is the disagreement about?

Zab had some mental problems and I recall he left around when DeSnake launched Dread (a Reddit clone that was mainly for discussing the illegal drug trade on darknet markets) on I2P. It flooded r/I2P and ZZZs forums with drug related posts, which I think effected Zab in some way. Was a while ago so my memory is fuzzy and theres no archives of ZZZs forum sadly.

We didn't hear much from him until he kinda just snapped and broke down due to some drama related to some of the language used on geti2p.net, which referenced sexual/ethnic/racial minority groups in a way that some people were complaining made I2P have an 'official stance' on those subjects. He made a vague threat directly to ZZZ publicly on his forum, then the entire forum was shut down overnight alongside stats.

It's not clear if this was the entire reason why, but it was apart of it. It basically happened overnight and by the end of the week IDK made an official response when deploying the next update to I2P that confirmed ZZZ had left and that he would be the new lead dev. Then ZZZ made a message explaining he was safe on this site (you can probably pull it up if you look at his last post here)

[acud]

thank you for your answer.

this is the mentioned post, I guess: http://i2pforum.i2p/viewtopic.php?t=114 ... 133e88cff4

[eepman]

>he left around when DeSnake launched Dread

Afaik, it was Paris, who launched Dread, not DeSnake. DeSnake was a founder of some big Darknet Marketplace, I guess it was Whitehouse Market or something.

>which referenced sexual/ethnic/racial minority groups in a way that some people were complaining made I2P have an 'official stance' on those subjects.

The specific paragraph can be seen here: http://i2p-projekt.i2p/en/contact ---scroll all the way down. It reads:

Inclusion

I2P welcomes all kinds of people, as long as they are friendly and helpful to each other.
We disgrace hate, anger, racism, and bad speaking towards anyone.
We do support LBGT, suppressed minorites and other people, wether they need help in kind of our I2P software or not.
We work together to build a free world without hate, racism and violence.
The I2P router software was created in this spirit and should be used to help repressed people to regain their freedom of speech, while not suppressing others.

Back then, some users of zzz.i2p were of the position that i2p should be a neutral tool. It should not mention by name any side of the political spectrum, for the sole reason that it makes i2p picking sides in the western political discourse. Which brings up the question: "Is official i2p team going to take action against some kind of speech that they deem unacceptable on the i2p network, as per the political posturing they imply above?", or, "is the i2p team going to shape their tool as to make it more difficult for the dissemination of some ideas that they do not like?"

The thing most of the people don't understand is freedom of speech also includes what some people might call "hate speech." By putting above appendage to the official i2p contact page, i2p picks "which speech" it condones, officially. Instead of doing it, the paragraph should just mention, "I2P is a freedom tool that gives radical free speech to the ones who are willing to speak it and who are willing to hear it." ---That's it. No mention of "LGBT", no mention of "hate speech," etc. etc. These words are political terms that only signal certain political attitudes to the reader and excludes others. These terms are fake, and unnecessary.